Wednesday February 6 2019
Juve about results, not entertainment

After seven straight Scudetto titles, if Juve’s dominance was not already boring fans, then their football might be, writes Daryl Hammond.

Despite only dropping six points in Serie A this season, the last few results have put the microscope on the Old Lady’s performances.

Having stumbled across the line against Lazio, Juventus lost heavily to Atalanta in the Coppa Italia before surrendering a 3-1 lead late to Parma.

In the scope of the title race the draw means very little as they still lead by nine points, and the loss to Gian Piero Gasperini’s side was only their first in four years in the Coppa Italia. Oh well, no league & cup quintuple-double.

The purported issue is the football they played not only in the last few matches, but across the season.

The squad shakeup in the summer and teething problems settling in Cristiano Ronaldo could excuse their lack of bite. It is difficult to say their claims are unfounded. In a squad with the attacking talents of Ronaldo, Paulo Dybala, Mario Mandzukic, Douglas Costa and Federico Bernardeschi they haven’t blown teams away in front of goal. The relegation of the latter two rob the side of high-energy, highly-skilled wingers fans might want to see.

Having sold Medhi Benatia, their normally staunch defence looks meek without their starters. Moreover, in midfield Emre Can and Sami Khedira have had a poor few matches.

But in the grand scheme of things, none are problems that may derail the Bianconeri’s season.

Some fans become used to prolonged success and find gripes about minor things, especially when there are greater heights still to hit in Europe.

They then feel vindicated about their complaints despite mistakes out of a manager’s control deciding a match, much like Mandzukic’s on Saturday.           

The desire to see entertaining football needs no explanation. It is the reason many of us have fallen in love with the sport and continue to watch week on week. If goals equal entertaining football, then maybe Juventus aren’t the team to watch.

Games involving Atalanta, Roma, Sampdoria, Sassuolo, Sampdoria, Empoli and even Chievo are ‘more entertaining’, with Atalanta the highest at an average 3.5 goals per game. They score a lot, but concede in equal measure.

But fans may have to decide whether that entertainment comes at the compromise of results and the solid defensive base on which they have built several title-winning sides.

Very few Coaches can combine conventionally beautiful football with steely defence and get results. It is the reason Pep Guardiola is heralded as one of the greatest managers ever from his time at Barcelona. Even all that beauty didn’t take him far enough in the Champions League with either Bayern Manchester or Manchester City.

Roman Abramovich dreamt of emulating Barcelona both in their success and style of football. But many of his trophies were earned with tacticians who are the complete antithesis to that football, in the likes of Jose Mourinho and Antonio Conte.

Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool side only became title contenders after paying record fees for goalkeeper Alisson Becker and centre-back Virgil van Dijk.

Meanwhile, many hailed the football Napoli played under Maurizio Sarri. His system, built on movement and quick short passing won him many fans and a job with Chelsea, but no trophies.

Defence wins titles and Massimiliano Allegri knows this. He’s won several on this principle alone. Allegri is the main reason Juve are ‘boring’, but he won’t change from his philosophies and nor does he have any incentive to.

He said as much in his post-match comments on Saturday, emphasising his belief that: “Beautiful football doesn’t pay off, at the end of the day you’ve got to just kick it away from your goal.”

This is Allegri, not Sam Allardyce. Year on year Juventus are still among the best offensive and defensive sides in Serie A. They are still the only unbeaten team in Europe’s top five leagues. Come March, they will have hit top gear.

Don’t cast out Allegri for the sake of a few more flicks, passes and stepovers, or Juve may come to regret it.

Have your say...
Juve will never bore me even if the football they are playing this season is not as good as i would like.
You can not blame Allegri for the way other teams tactics stop Juve from showing the best.If you look at matches played Juve have been more entertaining when Mario M.has played,other players have not reached the expectations of myself and others.I do not think you can call Juve football boring,at present it is has issues with out of form players.

on the 10th February, 2019 at 1:58pm
@ Anony

No, you are not using your brain. You're using your feeling. This conversation is useless when you have a subjective feeling towards someone. In this case, it's Allegri.
on the 8th February, 2019 at 10:56am
Maybe messi is rubbish as well since he never won the wc. Maybe hahahah in sad loser world where it will make perfect sense.
on the 8th February, 2019 at 2:27am
Soooo let me get this straight. Zlatan ibrahimovic is bad because he never won the cl. R9 is bad because he never won the cl.maradonna? Pele? Yes all bad because they never won the cl. WAKEY WAKEY losers hagahahah hahahaha you are all sore losers and extremely weird.anyway ill just count juve's trophies in the mean time. You know? The ones you wished you had the slightest chance of touching. Instead to end up with 000000000 hahahahhahaahahhaha haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!! Hhehehehhe haahahahaa
on the 7th February, 2019 at 11:21pm
@giancarlocs madre yikes. you're doing a great job of speaking for all juve fans. i'm sure in a year when zidane is at the helm you will be saying that allegri was garbage because he couldn't even get past Atleti. Blame marrotta and not allegri, allegri gave marchisio time to recuperate from injury? you're not even using facts for your argument. thank you Pinturicchio for having a brain.
on the 7th February, 2019 at 9:01pm
that forced him to rest for almost 2 years. When he cameback, he's not the same Marchisio. He couldn't even compete with Pjanic. We all can see that, only fan boys who blindly think Marchisio can play any role in midfield. No, that's BS!
on the 7th February, 2019 at 5:17pm
@ Pinturicchio

"Marchisio isn't injury prone, that's Khedira..." Oh boy, you're in denial. Both of them are injury prone but playing in different position. They didn't compete for regista position. The role had been exclusively given to Marchisio after Pirlo's departure in 2015. When most of Juve fans were hoping for Verratti to come, Allegri played it down and said Marchisio is Pirlo's heir in Juventus. 2015, Marchisio was indispensable for Allegri until cruciate ligament rupture hit Marchisio
on the 7th February, 2019 at 5:17pm
Vikbore the self centered narcissist again can't talk about anything but Milan. You mirror gazing bore.
on the 7th February, 2019 at 2:45pm
@ Ade

Catch your breath. Take it easy. LOL

on the 7th February, 2019 at 2:40pm
@Giancarlo c' mom..
thus having a professional identity does not guarantee professional sagacity, we have seen doctors whose professional license were withdrawn owing to inefficiency and many other examples... I'm sure with your dire and dearth of footballing history contorted majorly by sporting prejudice and idiocy, you dont deserve that barge ! Its pathetic and shameful that sooner or later we will be seeing another allegri in you teaching our young football archaic tactics and obsolete sporting mentality.... IDIOTS!
on the 7th February, 2019 at 12:22pm
@ Giancarlo mom.. I have never seen a myopic cockroach like you in my life. Its obvious the FIGC had gone so corrupt that a dullard like you is able to possess a coaching barge! What a farce my eyes cant help but see. Juve are losers and local champions! That's a fact you couldn't but swallow.... If you thought Allegri and Conte are winners let them Win the big ear cup that's all... No more arguement. The best out there had won it ; SIR ALEX FERGUSON, MOURINHO, ANCELLOTTI, CAPELLO, LIPPI, SACCHI, GUARDIOLA, .....Allegri and Conte are nothing but 2nd grade you and your coaching badge my foot!
on the 7th February, 2019 at 12:11pm

"Viktor Elliot is simply trying to raise the value of the club so they can sell it. "

Yes, like all companies you wants to increase the companies value. What make you think they will sell it right away? And besides, by increasing a companies value, what does that mean. I´ll tell you what it means, commitment, efforts, and work. Something we Milan fans greatly appreciate from Elliots side.
on the 7th February, 2019 at 12:04pm

This topic is not a bout AC Milan. If you wanna moan about them I suggest you write on a different post-.
on the 7th February, 2019 at 12:02pm
@ Vicktor. Forum does not matter. But Milan will still have to comply with FFP?
on the 7th February, 2019 at 11:23am
What is a great coach? Their seems to be a discussion here about innovators vs. CL winners. A coach that wins the CL is not by extension an innovator. Look at Madrid's CL success and that of Barcelona post Pep. Not a lot of innovation there, just maturity, a winning mentality and the world's two best players. Conte was an innovator, but did not win the CL. Does that make him a lesser coach than Sacchi? Allegri is not as much of an innovator, but if he wins the CL maybe he will be seen that way.
on the 7th February, 2019 at 10:36am
Pathetic how Giancarlo C's Mom talks rubbish about Claudio and yet calls himself a Juventus fan.

Marchisio isn't injury prone, that's Khedira. Marchisio has a level-head, something which could have helped in grooming Can and especially Bentancur. And it wasn't Marotta, it was Allegri who pushed Claudio out, just like that idiot pushed Pirlo out in Milan.

Don't BS people when your theory has that many holes, idiot.
on the 7th February, 2019 at 10:24am
tougher for coaches. Your tactic can be understood by your opponents after 2-4 matches. Unlike you, I have a coaching badge and I earn money from football, I know what i'm talking about. Football has evolved so fast in 30 years. Pls, stop pretend to be a smart. I know you're just a pathetic Juve hater. I don't care what ppl think of me, Allegri is a very good coach. He knows what he is doing. Sadly, many fans don't see what is inside his head and haters gonna hate anyway.
on the 7th February, 2019 at 9:12am
Whatever you read, they all garbage. Sacchi didn't invent something. He copied Ajax's football in 70's and tweaked it a bit. Same case with Trapattoni, Capello, Lippi, and Ancelotti. These dinosaurs didn't invent new style of football. It's just an illussion. Lucky for them, technology was limited back then. There was no team and match analysist at the time. That's why they can play their football for 3-5 seasons before other teams finally find out how to stop it. But now, football has been
on the 7th February, 2019 at 9:12am
@ Ade

What is this all about? A history lesson from a pathetic Inter fan who suddenly becomes a wise Italian football expert because he is sick and tired to see his team playing badly and always getting bad result in every season?


I tell you what, Grandpa or can i call you MR. DINOSAUR? your comparison is irrelevant. You can't say those dinosaurs invent something and today Italian coaches like Conte and Allegri have zero invention.
on the 7th February, 2019 at 9:11am
Viktor Elliot is simply trying to raise the value of the club so they can sell it. That will be greatly affected if and when they miss out on Champions League next season.
on the 7th February, 2019 at 3:11am
@ The Master

Do you even watch Juve play?

scraping wins or draws in the league isn't helping Juve at all, considering the investments Agnelli has made the last year.

3-2 @ Chievo
2-1 vs Sassuolo
2-1 @ Parma (draw in return fixture)
1-1 vs Genoa
2-1 @ Empoli
2-2 @ Atalanta (KO from Coppa also)
2-1 vs Sampdoria
2-1 @ Lazio
on the 6th February, 2019 at 10:46pm
@ Anony

We all Juve fans love CM8, but let's get back to reality. He's an injury prone and now he can only play as a regista. He's not a young Marchisio anymore. He has no muscle and legs to play as a box to box midfielder. Allegri tried and he failed miserably. Sadly, It's Marchisio who wanted to leave because he didn't want to be a sub for Pjanic. If you want to blame someone, go blame Marotta.
on the 6th February, 2019 at 9:38pm

"The big question is what do Milan's new owners know about the future direction of FFP seeing as they seem to be completely ignoring it but know what the consequences of breaching the rules SHOULD be? My guess is that they have been tipped off that it is going to be scrapped"

Wrong forum Buddy, you don't seem to be able to stick to the topic. You do realise Elliot has ZERO intention of letting Milan go and have pockets that runs so deep FFP are sure about their ambitions. Read some.
on the 6th February, 2019 at 9:29pm
SACCHI changed the stereotypical Italian notion of not been able and strong enough to play attacking football and introduced his HIGH PRESSING worldly acclaimed styles and dominated Europe back-to- back, , ANCELLOTTI invented the Christmas tree formation that Dominated Europe, CAPELLO masterminded an unbeatable team blending flair and physicality that stunned Barcelona 4-0 and 3 finals in 5years, TRAPPATONI put juve and won inter their Uefa cup playing some beautiful- German style football, LIPPI the great made juve every time he was called upon and made VIALLI, Delpiero and Zidane a force of nature across boarder even going further to win the world cup! You dumb and historically ignorant juve idiots, what has allegri with his multi- talented squad achieved? Absolutely nothing! Playing style Zero, innovation zero, what an idiot of a coach! He was not the first coach to be so dominant domestically! After all Lyon won 6 at a stretch in France and the coach is similarly unknown because they left no legacy and blueprint to emulate! What a stupid coach
on the 6th February, 2019 at 8:26pm
@arbi thank you for bringing up marchisio, so shameful how juve fans and moreso allegri treated him. i hate juve but as a fan of italian football and gli azzuri marchisio was a gem and i wish his career had gone differently. khedira/can>marchisio? allegri is a stunod
on the 6th February, 2019 at 7:31pm
@ Ade

It's funny how you mention Allegri is just a 2nd grade coach and always get embarrassed in CL. It's very obvious.. Dude you don't know him at all. I know you're a Juve hater and a pathetic Inter fan. Pls stop being an idiot just for once.
on the 6th February, 2019 at 5:53pm
What keeps Juve back is their style of play under allegri. You can't build a squad of attacking talent like they have, and play to hold the ball at the half way line to pass around, and hold on for 2-1 wins. They need to play more one touch passes and play more aggressively. Allegri has to go.
on the 6th February, 2019 at 5:53pm
Also The main problems we are facing in defence and midfielde,is because of Allegri’s treatment of some players.
He forced out Marchisio out of the team,and made the club a extend Khedira contract even though we know how useful could Marchiso be to this weak midfield.
Also after Bonucci retuned,he benched Benatia so much that the guy got frustrated and wanted to leave, Allegri could prevent this by giving Benatia 3-4 games more till JAN.
I appriciate Allegri,but I think his time is up.
on the 6th February, 2019 at 4:52pm
No one expects Allegri and Juve to play tiki taka style attacking football.
The issue is that Allegri is not being able to flourish the full potential of this squad and
What is expected from Juve is to display a strong and dominant performance during their games.This I think is a completely reasonable thing to want from this side.
We don’t expect to score 7-8 goals like teams from Laliga and PL,but at least we can showcase a football which gives confidence to the team and the fans.
on the 6th February, 2019 at 4:48pm
And btw the fans are hypocrites and have double standards. Whenever Juve win 1-0 the response is #AllegriOut cause "bad football". They keep saying that they don't care about the results and just want to see good football.

Well, guess what happened on Saturday. Juve for once played some really good and entertaining football, but they didn't win. And then everyone went crazy and started blaming Allegri as usual for something (defenders' errors) that was beyond his control.
on the 6th February, 2019 at 4:43pm

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