Wednesday April 3 2013
Juve outplayed, outthought and out?

Juventus have it all to do following a 2-0 first leg Champions League defeat at Bayern Munich. Luca Cetta looks at where it went wrong.

Bayern Munich insist the quarter-final tie is not over. “Juventus are not to be underestimated, so we are going to Turin very concentrated, as we know they will try to give it their all,” said Bayern chief Karl-Heinz Rummenigge.

“We are in a very good position now, but have not achieved anything so far. We need to score a goal there, then we should be through,” warned Bastian Schweinsteiger. Yet on first leg evidence, the Bavarians can feel comfortable with the advantage they have.

The 2-0 win was sealed thanks to a first minute David Alaba strike and Thomas Muller’s second half tap-in. Gianluigi Buffon and his Juventus teammates will feel aggrieved with the manner in which both goals were conceded. The first took a slight touch off Arturo Vidal to bamboozle the captain, while Buffon parried Luiz Gustavo’s drive into the path of Mario Mandzukic, who squared for Muller’s simple finish. The Croat did look offside, but Buffon won’t want to be watching that one back again. However, on balance, Juve can feel fortunate to be only two goals behind.

There was a spell following the opening goal in which Antonio Conte’s side dominated. That altered in odd circumstances, as an injured Toni Kroos made way for Arjen Robben. The Dutch winger was then instrumental in turning the tide Bayern’s way. He – and the advancing Philipp Lahm – gave Federico Peluso and Claudio Marchisio a torrid time in the first half and most Bayern chances originated from their right-hand side. Muller tucked inside and shackled Andrea Pirlo – one of many who had a poor game – while Franck Ribery caused problems on the other flank.

The work-rate of the trio, plus Mandzukic, was impressive. They pressed Juve and forced the Bianconeri back three into numerous mistakes. Normally Andrea Barzagli, Leonardo Bonucci and Giorgio Chiellini are the source of many an attacking foray. Bayern shut down this avenue, never allowing the defence to settle. This forced Juve long and possession was frequently turned over. Passes were misplaced, players were caught dwelling in possession and the Germans were first to nearly every second ball. Conte’s men looked very un-Juve like throughout.

Schweinsteiger mentioned that “Juve played a very interesting formation which we don’t face in the Bundesliga at all,” but Bayern were generally comfortable in dealing with what the Old Lady threw at them. In contrast, against a quick-tempo side with creative wingers who stay high up the pitch – something not generally encountered in Serie A – Juve were caught out.

The Turin giants did show that when they pressured the Bayern defence they too looked uncomfortable. This didn’t happen nearly enough given the difficulties they had in pushing men forward for any sustained possession. Vidal was the best of the bunch, showing the determination required at this level and lacking in many of his teammates. He was Juve’s best attacking outlet and went close on three occasions, including a Manuel Neuer double save.

Yet Vidal and Stephan Lichtsteiner will miss the return clash in Turin due to suspension. Both were shown a yellow card, the Chilean for a handball and accumulation of fouls. The Swiss international’s card was puzzling. Charging into the penalty area he was knocked down by Dante. Was it penalty? Perhaps not. Was it a dive? Certainly not.

It means the Bianconeri must overturn a two-goal deficit at the Juventus Stadium next Wednesday. Failing to score an away goal makes their task an uphill one, as does going in without two regulars. Juve will need an early goal, but must be wary of the pace and creativity Bayern will possess on the counter-attack. Conte still believes. “We must prepare for the second leg, which will be very tough, but football can have surprises.” He’s called the Champions League a dream and now more than ever, Juve need their dream to become reality.

Keep up to date with the latest news and action from Spain's Primera Division with Football Espana - from the team behind Football Italia.

See the latest Serie A predictions and betting tips with

Have your say...
Juve is a useless team. Pirlo is too old. why ditch th foreigners -asamoah & Pogba - for Italians
on the 8th April, 2013 at 5:35am
This 1/4 final is far from over. In Turin, Juve will have a performance that we haven't seen in a long time. Yes Juve played bad and Bayern was better but we're talking about only 2 goals down... Juve will come out like lions and score 2 in the first 15 minutes and then will control the game. Juve has too much pride and too many world class players to let this one go, especially to a german side... I predict 3-0 or 4-1 and Juve will go through.
on the 6th April, 2013 at 1:51am
thank goodness for luciano and muri . at least they understand what went wrong . greaeman your are just a depressed moron and inter is back to nothing , where they really belong .
on the 5th April, 2013 at 6:59pm
A was a little concerned with Conte's team selection, and his substitutions during the game.
Where is Isla? Why not bring on Marrone? Why Peluso instead of Asamoah? Why no subs at halftime when you are already being a massive Juve fan, I'm starting to question Conte's "favorites" always being named to the team.
on the 5th April, 2013 at 6:42pm
We will need to produce a perfect performance in Turin on Wednesday, but whatever happens I know the lads will fight to the last second to right the wrongs of Munich. The players don't need telling how bad they were, but their humility and their honesty was something rarely seen in modern ego fuelled football. Our progress under Antonio Conte has been beyond anything we could have hoped for 18 months ago and with the right quality signings we will be major players everywhere for a long time.
on the 5th April, 2013 at 6:30pm
Garry, Beckenbauer is not a disgrace, he is a legend that reached heights yet to be matched on many different fields. His comment of Gigi however is very disrespectful and unprofessional. I might add, very uncharacteristic as well, I hope he has regreats over it.
And lets leave the "German" or any other nation out of the "true rude German" equation. It is stereotypical ... to put it very mildly.
on the 5th April, 2013 at 3:49pm
on the 5th April, 2013 at 3:29pm
Gentleman, don't get too worked up about Franz or Heinz's,(or whatever his name is, maybe his middle name is Wolfgang????) comments regarding Buffon's game.

Buffon doesn't need anyone to tell him about his performance - he knows he had a poor game.

The beauty of this all is that there is a return game in Torino. Buffon is a true champion and will rebound as will his teammates!
on the 5th April, 2013 at 6:48am
Beckenbeur is a disgrace for his abuse of such a magnificent player like Gianluigi Buffon. Gigi has proved over the last 15 years that he is the greatest goalkeeper on the planet and a serious contender for greatest ever. He was right behind Alba's shot until the deflection, swerve and freakish off-break spin made any save impossible. Manuel Neuer has a very long way to go before he can be mentioned in the same breath as our Gigi. He is a class player and, unlike Beckenbeur, a class act period.
on the 5th April, 2013 at 1:19am
We are still building, so I feel if we bring in Suarez (30mil + Quag) unless Marotta can fight off the competition, move Assamoah inside to cover Vidal and invest in some specialist wingers. Invest in a back up talent in defense and always be on the look out to tweak the midfield, this project is gonna grow. While we have the creative quality of Pirlo & Vucinic, we need to build around them. Great things ahead, Conte also needs improve. Grow together - Forza Juve!
on the 4th April, 2013 at 10:21pm
Beckenbaur is a disgrace, typical rude German. Buffon is one of the best keepers of a generation and still a top performer. What happened to him could happen to any keeper.
on the 4th April, 2013 at 8:48pm
I believe Conte Made a Mistake in Not Using Pobga and leaving out a Striker(Matri) and Playing Marchisio behind Quags...cos if u r up against a Ribery-Robben Wingers,u need 2 Defensive Midfielders....I hope Juve turn my Sadness to Joy
on the 4th April, 2013 at 4:58pm
Beat them. Beckenbeur still hasnt got over having to hand us world cup in 06. What kind of moron insults a great like gigi. Gigi we all love you.
on the 4th April, 2013 at 4:54pm
Come on juve beat the germans in the second leg. Beckenbower is a prat. Buffon is the best ever and is still worldclass. Make him eat his words, he is bitter after 06 and 12 when we spanked the germans. Say it to gigi s then we ll see who the pensioner is. Would love to see beckenbauer would knock his head off. The germans always insult us because we nearly always beat them. Its called fear.
on the 4th April, 2013 at 4:49pm
Mikesaba, attitudes vary towards the EL, (take Petkovic & Mazzarri as examples), but not the CL. This season, Udinese were not good enough, Milan are rebuilding, & like you said, Conte & his Juve team are enjoying their first CL campaign together. We have many disadvantages to our European rivals, we can no longer compete financially; our pitches & stadiums are mostly terrible. The Bundesliga is smaller & not as competitive from top to bottom as Serie A, so their players are in better condition.
on the 4th April, 2013 at 11:14am
Juventus are the only current club to match European clubs. Never mind the result with Bayern; Juve has done the unexpected since it is the first time in so long and as known the European matches are totally different. I see hammering of Juventus here! Why? Is there any other club in Serie A currently who can give great results in Europe? I doubt! So we shall not forget that Conte experience in Europe is NULL, this is his first time to guide a team and results are satisfying to some point.
on the 4th April, 2013 at 9:44am
It is a fact that Italian Clubs are/will suffer in Europe, due to simple fact that most owners and coaches do not give a damn ONLY to Serie A, which in fact has caused Italian football severely, as Italy now ranked 4th in Europe! And watch out for France, if things continue like that Italy might slip a rank and who knows what will happen in future! It is distracting fact, and little seems to be done about! Italy is in need of major total football infrastructure. Italy needs genius plan.
on the 4th April, 2013 at 9:36am
@ Greaseman
So what you're saying is that the 18 point gap between Juve and Inter is because we've bought referees? But that Juve are good enough to make it into the last 8 in Europe without paying anyone?
Your argument is contradictory yet oddly complimentary...
on the 4th April, 2013 at 9:28am
Luciano, I have to disagree with you. Bayern are an excellent side & should be given credit for their performance. If Juve played at 100%, it would still have been difficult. Reading these comments, most of us are seeing the same problems, & have the same concerns. I just hope that Conte is aware of them too.
on the 4th April, 2013 at 9:14am
am a zambian that supports and love italian football and my concern is that most current italian coaches ve no clue what to do when faced with a high profile match. There are too many small minded coaches managing high profiled clubs in seria A, ex; max. allegri- how can a team with a 2 goal advantage collapse that way in barcelona. Conte should ve rested the starting 11 against inter. Buffon is now short on confidence both for italy and juve. Now the germans are saying seria a next to its 2nd division, even rubbish EPL football can boost nawadays.
on the 4th April, 2013 at 6:00am
An early goal was lucky, which changed the game ... but Juve did not pick up themselves as usual, instead they were outplayed. I hope they turn all this around in the home clash & i know Juve are up to the task. Forza Milan
on the 4th April, 2013 at 5:54am
Greaseman, you are obviously a disgruntled Inter fan.
This thread is about the Juve- Bayern CHAMPIONS LEAGUE game.
on the 4th April, 2013 at 12:19am
@ Greaseman

When will people like you face up to the facts regarding Calcopoli. Inter were the real criminals who committed "sporting fraud", Juventus were only guily of "unsporting behaviour". Doesn't the fact that this evidence was buried till the statue of limitations had expired tell you everything about the the truth. Inter should have been thrown down to C2, instead of being allowed to win fake title after fake title. These are facts, undeniable facts. One day we will have justice.
on the 3rd April, 2013 at 10:24pm
This was a defeat coming for a while, the signs were there against Celtic especially in Midfield. Pirlo is a legend but he can not play more than 1 game per week at his age. Asking him to play for Italy, in Serie A and then in the Champions league in the space of 7 days was dillusional. He shouldn't even be in the squad for this weekend and Pogba has to start the 2nd leg.
on the 3rd April, 2013 at 7:33pm
Simple really, Juventus can't pay off refs in Europe. Inter were denied 3 clear penalties against them, and Juve's second goal came from a throw in that should've been Inter's. Eternal cheaters.
on the 3rd April, 2013 at 7:13pm
the front two last night is the worst pairing of the four at juventus disposal matris game isn't about holding the ball up either is quag they both want to run in behind the back four not come short and hold the ball up,juventus was to deep and ive said this before pirlo gets caught on the ball way to much and where he loses the ball is the worse place to lose for obvious reasons juventus have come a long way but i this is where they are at in terms of levels in this competition.
on the 3rd April, 2013 at 6:20pm
Bayern is a little better than Juve, hopefully Marotta was watching and realize what Juve needs to catch up within Europe. With The financial crisis in Italy it will be hard to buy players. This, however, should put and added emphasis on our youth program and which ones we should bring in and mold... FORZA JUVE SEMPRE
on the 3rd April, 2013 at 6:10pm
Only if I was there. The result ain't staying like this. I believe juventus needs to give their key players a rest for during the serie a games since they will be the champs. It's okay to be afraid or nervous but they can't show it in the game. Forza juve forza ADP
on the 3rd April, 2013 at 6:09pm
I was very disappointed with Juventus last night. Probably the team’s worst showing all year. I know many will disagree but I don’t think Bayern are particularly good – they will be destroyed by Barca or Madrid. Munich are a typical German side – they will dictate and bully if you let them but stand up, hold your nerve and they crumble. This is why the Azzurri have always conquered the Germans. Bayern lack any real finesse and guile. Otherwise they would have scored many more against a pretty abject Juve. Conte – a good but not great coach – was found out. Juve started well but couldn’t cope with Robben’s pace. He should have changed the side’s system at half time. Anyone could see things weren’t working out but he fell into that stupid manager’s ‘let’s give it 60 minutes’ routine which I have never understood. As for Jupp Heynckes, he was at the helm when a very average Madrid side were lucky to beat a very good Juve side and yesterday a fluke and an offside gained another victory (albeit deserved). He must wish he could play La Vecchia Signora every week!
on the 3rd April, 2013 at 4:43pm
Saw the highlight clips, Buffon should have had the second one. The first one albeit a deflection, why was Buffon already in movement to one one side from a shot that was way out. If he would have stood his line, there would be no goal. ( I still think Buffon is the best goalie in the world, he just had an off game)

Give credit to Bayern from all accounts I have read, they outplayed Juve.

The return leg in Turin should be exciting
on the 3rd April, 2013 at 4:01pm

Post new comment

Your email address is kept private and will not be shown publicly.
If you have your own website, enter its address here.
Maximum 500 characters.
This question is for testing whether you are a human visitor and to prevent automated spam submissions.
Enter the characters shown in the image.
Your responses will be moderated, and sometimes edited, by Football Italia before appearing on the site. Please keep your comments clean and try to keep them relevant to the blog above. We reserve the right to reject views that we deem unsuitable for publication.